vamp

NZ, Wed, 18 Sep 2019 17:34:23 +1200 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:59:45 +1300

I was just poking at my wiki, and wrote a thing that I'd never actually thought of before, but which addresses a concern held by some fans on DW a while back, who thought hubzilla would be just another silo and one where you had to know the right people to get in.

Except that that's totally not a thing that could happen, because:

You can do fandom on Hubzilla on any hub, even if it's not explicitly a 'fandom' hub.

And, of course, if you're on (for example) start.hubzilla.org, and connect with some fandom people, pretty soon you'll figure out who is open for registrations or has invites or whatever.

I started out on hub.disroot.org and connected with everyone on fandom.stopthatimp.net just fine, in fact, that's how I knew it existed...

#fandom #HowToDoTheThing #FandomOnHubzilla

ETA: if you start on one hub, then move to another, you don't have to start over, you just clone! Connections, webpages, cloud storage, wikis, and a number of posts can all move along with you and it's ridiculously easy to do...

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peoriapeoriarhetoriawhereart

Thu, 19 Sep 2019 01:26:26 +1200

There will despite that be some ways that it will be a silo if we don't work to keep it from being that way.
It'll be less so than the mailing lists (just having an internet connection was a thing. The oddities of WebTv when that wasn't what many people had... list sibs had to make allowances for people that wanted to write when their 'onramp' didn't consider longform upstream part of the product.) or the way zines worked Before My Time.

We're just going to have to figure things out as we go. And be open to listening to evidence that we've not figured out as much as we'd thought.

oulfis

Thu, 19 Sep 2019 07:26:43 +1200

I think the segments of fandom that are fleeing to discord is partly normalizing a siloing of fandom: you really do have to be 'in the know' to find out about discords and get an invite. So we might have an uphill battle, culturally, to be like 'hubzilla is not discord'. So I think it's good to keep siloing in mind as something to keep an eye out for, because it doesn't have to happen, but it could happen.

peoriapeoriarhetoriawhereart

Thu, 19 Sep 2019 07:56:31 +1200

Discord does seem more like irc than anything, though the room doesn't burst when it empties. By the same token what I hear is you would never find something if you wanted to refer to it, but it'll certainly show back up should it be inconvenient for it to do so.
That could happen is important. The multiple pantlegs of tumblr got 'weaponized' and sent some fans off into parts of Twitter. In the heat is the hardest time to realize that something has gone fundamentally wrong and a different tack is needed. @oulfis And how's the dis?

vamp

Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:11:58 +1200 last edited: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:21:02 +1200

@oulfis yeah, that's one of the things I really do not like about discord, like apparently there's epic servers out there but I sure don't know about them, so here I am, still doing my fandom in what feels sometimes like shouting into the void.

Because I used IRC back in the day, I still feel like there should be a way to search for servers on discord itself, like I should be able to just go /list and see all the SPN channels but no, they're all secret and crap.

peoriapeoriarhetoriawhereart

Thu, 19 Sep 2019 23:33:23 +1200

I've not used discord. I don't think the channels have such identifiable names. They could in irc times because someone had god powers and were 'about' (could have been bot/distributed power) so if someone was being disruptive people didn't have to put up with it.

oulfis

Thu, 26 Sep 2019 18:11:44 +1200

I use discord a fair bit, though not super fannishly... by which I mean, I am in a few very small, very closed discords where I chat with my own personal friends about fannish concerns, but they're not "Fandom Discords," they're basically group texts. Publishing lists of fannish hubzilla servers, like in the IRC days, might be a good way to keep things from getting too hard to enter! I am kinda trying to do that now, but I think it's basically just imp on hubzilla and alis on mastodon (and me) who are open to new folks.

peoriapeoriarhetoriawhereart

Fri, 27 Sep 2019 04:47:04 +1200

@oulfis I've been reading Because Internet and that's been making some things more apparent (because I keep skipping certain technologies/miss the etiquettes or changes in them). I'll post something about that once I'm finished with the book. I've just been reading the part talking about how early chat worked and how later adopters, the bulk of users, experienced it with a different baseline. Hope to hear about that list once it's more than a sparse handful.

vamp

Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:18:10 +1300

It's early days. Tbh I think hubzilla could easily handle fandom as it is, but fandom itself isn't ready yet. At some point there'll be another exodus and activity and membership will 'splode, and with that will come others who want to run their own hub.

peoriapeoriarhetoriawhereart

Mon, 30 Sep 2019 12:47:23 +1300

Weird, I seem to have gotten two notifications for the same comment. It does seem that we've got quite a bit of functionality and mostly it is documentation, keeping the lights on and 'soft skills'. How are the scheme trials going? (I've not taken the plunge on those yet.)

vamp

Sun, 06 Oct 2019 10:08:57 +1300

I'm doing one of my regularly scheduled social media/computer ghosts, when I kinda just disappear for a week or two as other things and real life take my attention. I'll be back to pick up the scheming, but there's no progress right now.

peoriapeoriarhetoriawhereart

Thu, 10 Oct 2019 02:26:33 +1300

np, @vamp, I was afk too. RL is important, and empty dishes serve no one.

vamp

NZ, Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:05:37 +1200 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:01:15 +1300

@daphneblithe #apps #notifications #HowToDoTheThing

This 'app' puts a link to the notifications page into your app menu.

Notifications

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vamp

Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:53:52 +1200

I've never had a problem editing typos.

What you can't edit and never will be able to is post privacy settings.

peoriapeoriarhetoriawhereart

Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:52:50 +1200

I've also been 'working' on pillowfort and there you can't edit comments at all. DW has the edit until someone comments on the comment. The post privacy settings limitation I grok. I take it you can delete the whole post and recreate if you screw up?

vamp

Fri, 13 Sep 2019 22:22:15 +1200

Yep, you sure can :)

vamp

NZ, Sun, 04 Aug 2019 18:36:31 +1200 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:34:59 +1300

Added some stuff to my How To Do The Thing wiki:

Calendar & Events

It's all very 'spew it out and fix it later', but it'll do for now.

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vamp

mind, blown, Mon, 15 Apr 2019 17:07:29 +1200 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:51:25 +1300

Holy crap. Webpage elements (blocks, menus, layouts, pages) are shareable O.O

(crossing my fingers that this propagates, I'm having some queue issues and/or my hub 'sploded)

#vamp-pokes-at-stuff !Themes, Schemes, and Layouts

This post contains an installable block element, however you lack permissions to install it on this site.example-block

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vamp

learning BBcode, Wed, 27 Feb 2019 00:08:01 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:03:49 +1300

Hey, look at this thing!

vamp wrote:

Hey, look at this thing!

How did I not know this was a thing that was possible? It's pretty cool.

Code: [quote=vamp]Hey, look at this thing![/quote]

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anelith

Wed, 27 Feb 2019 01:09:03 +1300

That's really useful, thanks!

arduinna

Wed, 27 Feb 2019 05:28:30 +1300

OMG I had no idea you could attribute quotes. So cool! And nested!

daphneblithe

Wed, 27 Feb 2019 07:02:45 +1300

this is amazing! I am putting in the guide, if it's not there already!

vamp

poking at stuff, Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:34:05 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:04:30 +1300

How to fake a sticky post

- create a Block and call it 'sticky-post' or whatever
- put stuff in it, text, images, whatever
- save
- find the channel layout in the PDL editor
- paste the following text between the two [region][/region] sections, making sure you're using the name you gave the block

[region=content]
[block]sticky-post[/block]
$content[/region]

- save
- check to see if it worked

Check out @punk's post, how to add custom blocks to your layout for how to use the PDL editor and block editor and stuff.

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punk

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 14:46:43 +1300

NICE.

daphneblithe

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:02:29 +1300

that is inspired!!

I haven't been able to get the PDL thing working, I need to ask you guys humbly for Guidance

daphneblithe

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:07:09 +1300

I've added the How to Fake a Sticky Post guide to the guide doc :) I put it down after the clever @punk custom block entry.

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vamp

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:10:42 +1300

Anytime. @punk's post is really good, but if you're still stumped and have specific issues, post them.

I've been thinking about making a forum for theming and shit (even though I have no idea what I'm doing in regards to theming yet, I'm determined to figure it out) but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to like, include layout, so to allow for 'how do I do the thing' threads and stuff?

daphneblithe

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:13:43 +1300

A forum sounds really good @vamp !

(I still want you to mock up myspace circa 00s. Twirling torches!)

vamp

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:26:39 +1300

TBH I've actually been going more for the tumblr aesthetic, you know, overload the page with gifs so it crashes on all but the newest computers?

But I've failed. I just can't. My early 2000's web design education was 'design for the lowest possible specs and the crappy outdated browser your grandmother still uses' and it's really hard to shake

arduinna

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:36:19 +1300

Code for 28.8k modem and IE6, man.

vamp

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:39:03 +1300

One thing I do make a point of these days: pretend IE doesn't exist.

arduinna

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:41:35 +1300

Oh, sure, now! But it was to weep back then. And all those people browsing from work computers that were mandated to stay at IE6 for years, ugh.

vamp

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:43:09 +1300

I also ignore the existence of Edge.

arduinna

Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:45:35 +1300

Edge is about to be based on Chromium, anyway.

vamp

poking at things, Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:54:41 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:04:58 +1300

You, too, can have your own notifications button!

Notifications

(has been tested on my test alt and works)

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shirasade 🍫

Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:07:37 +1300

Wooot! :)

anelith

Fri, 15 Feb 2019 01:40:31 +1300

Thank you!

Nonymos

Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:29:06 +1300

bLESS YOU

(i love that your very status says "poking at things". ^^)

vamp

NZ, Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:48:01 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:05:54 +1300

So I just made an app (or, how to put custom stuff in your app menu)

Yeah, I clicked create custom app, gave it a name, and the link to the notifications page, and I've got my notifications button!

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mific

Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:17:14 +1300

Huh, so kind of like a simple Word macro.

vamp

Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:25:09 +1300

Um. I don't know word, so I wouldn't have the foggiest, sorry.

vamp

NZ, Tue, 12 Feb 2019 19:09:48 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:06:12 +1300

Permissions on bookmarks and menu links don't carry over to cloned channels, sadly.

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vamp

NZ, Sat, 09 Feb 2019 13:50:09 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:08:18 +1300

Today I've been poking at the #webpages app.

https://hub.vamp.ink/page/vamp/example-webpage

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imp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:43:42 +1300

I love your enterprising ways :D

daphneblithe

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:52:19 +1300

@vamp is the Most Enterprising and Splendid of creatures of the night.

vamp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:52:22 +1300

Some of the stuff here is freaking cool!

vamp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:53:21 +1300

@daphneblithe but as soon as I see something shiny I drop whatever I'm doing and run to the new thing...

daphneblithe

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:54:17 +1300

Hey it seems to be working though :)

vamp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 14:55:41 +1300

I think I need someone running around behind me finishing all my little projects LOL *sideeyes half finished wiki pages*

arduinna

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:05:49 +1300

I was thinking a few days ago that the webpages thing could be a way to get sticky posts of a sort; put a block on your channel with a link to the webpage where you keep all your info. (I say, having been watching you do all the figuring out and coming along behind to nod and say "ooo", heh.)

The more I see of this system the more I like it.

vamp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:10:57 +1300

Right? Or even a card or an article, or, hell, a wiki if you've got a lot going on ;)

The whole layout editing thing is a killer feature tbh.

arduinna

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:18:48 +1300

The layout customization and the chatrooms, which I think are amazing. From the PDL stuff you went through, it looks like you can add a widget with a list of bookmarked chatrooms to your channel, so you can just pop into a chat whenever you're around without having to load up a different program or site. Just, wow.

vamp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:22:32 +1300

I did do a test on that, and it looked like it worked! It doesn't for some things. I might try putting them in my channel and see what happens.

Yeah, the chatrooms are awesome. I especially like the embiggen button on them.

vamp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:27:15 +1300

Wee, it worked! I has chatroom links in my channel sidebar $\o/$

arduinna

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 17:09:01 +1300

$\o/$ (and also \ o / because I like the ascii ones, too :D)

daphneblithe

Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:40:43 +1300

That was fantastic

vamp

Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:44:49 +1300

You're not up already? I haven't even been to bed yet! (but I definitely need to be heading that way)

daphneblithe

Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:52:27 +1300

I slept il 11 am - all this staying up til 4 am is clearly getting to me . Was so fantastic to get to chat with y’all though!! :grin_offline: I hope you get some rest @vamp

vamp

Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:54:29 +1300

It was fun, wasn't it :) I hopped off eventually to chase the kids off to bed and I've been watching TV, then I transcribed some words, and I'll be heading off soonish.

vamp

NZ, Sat, 09 Feb 2019 01:07:35 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:12:34 +1300

Some stuff I've written down about editing the layout.

Has a long-ass list of possible widgets, because I'm obsessive like that and picked through all the editable pages in the PDL Editor.

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arduinna

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 06:39:32 +1300

demitas

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 06:46:04 +1300

omg the PDL editor! I saw in the code base that it existed but I never could find it to install it on my test instance, lol. I'm SO CURIOUS how they make it per-channel, I'll have to look more into that.

This is great for individual users, but would also be amazing for people who don't have a test instance to collaborate with people who do to make new theme layouts.

Thanks so much for this write up!

vamp

Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:16:50 +1300

@demitas ooh ooh ooooooh I didn't think of that

vamp

NZ, Wed, 06 Feb 2019 14:18:55 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:13:02 +1300

The Bookmarks App

...is a tricksy beast. I couldn't for the life of me figure out how to actually add a bookmark, but somehow, somewhere, I found the magic 'add a bookmark' link that made everything work: https://fandom.stopthatimp.net/rbmark

I promptly added that link as the first bookmark

Now I have my list of bookmarks in my channel sidebar for easy clicking (which requires some webpages/PDL editor poking, this link doesn't explain the menu adding, but it's a start).

Each individual bookmark is editable and permissionable, like, The Doc link and @imp's emoji gallery are only viewable by my Fandom Hubzilla privacy list. I thought that was pretty cool.

#vamp-pokes-at-stuff #apps #bookmarks

@daphneblithe I couldn't find mention of the bookmarks app in The Doc so I didn't know where to put this, also, the doc is getting a bit slow on me (I don't play well with google), feel free to c&p it in.

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daphneblithe

Wed, 06 Feb 2019 14:32:24 +1300

Fabulous, you fangtastic @vamp, I wil slap this in.

Sorry the doc is getting slow. it's definitely getting bigger, and is pretty loaded down with cross-linking text etc now too. Gdocs is for sure a temporary platform while we hash things out.

imp

Wed, 06 Feb 2019 14:35:20 +1300

want me to do an editing pass @daphneblithe? I've done a bit of tech writing and could probably trim things down a bit to help with brevity.

vamp

Wed, 06 Feb 2019 14:37:48 +1300

Thank you, @daphneblithe, I'm sure you can boil it down to the essentials better than I could, too.

I'm looking forward to a local wiki, I started trying to do my own with the things I've poked at, but I'm so easily distracted by the shiny that I've defaulted to just posting about the thing and moving on

daphneblithe

Wed, 06 Feb 2019 15:00:56 +1300

@imp yes please of course, omg, if you;re not drowning in 7,678 other things.

It's RELENTLESSLY hyperlinked now, too, which I hope would be easy to replicate with wiki crosslinking. I thin it needs a bit more refining but I wouldn't be surprised if in a week it's ready to go somewhere (and I will have to gracefully decline the chance to be involved in turning it to wiki cos of several reasons, but I do know who is a DEMON of GREATNESS at wikis in all platforms, and that is @ExtraneousAdverbs :grin_offline: (Hi Extra!)

ExtraneousAdverbs

Thu, 07 Feb 2019 10:07:36 +1300

@vamp Oh, good job on figuring out how to work that one! I was poking at it for a bit and couldn't make hide nor hair of it.

@daphneblithe I'll be happy to help however I can.

vamp

Thu, 07 Feb 2019 10:16:48 +1300

@ExtraneousAdverbs bookmark the add-bookmark link because the damn thing hides LOL

vamp

NZ, Sun, 03 Feb 2019 17:18:46 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:13:59 +1300

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Nonymos

Mon, 04 Feb 2019 08:01:10 +1300

when i inevitably make a celebratory post of a thousand dick emojis, i shall use this tool. thanks!

vamp

NZ, Sat, 02 Feb 2019 15:02:02 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:15:37 +1300

a thing that's awesome here

Likes and stars aren't the same thing. You can bookmark something for reference, and you can also say "good job" or "I acknowledge your valuable contribution" or whatever, without them getting all mixed up so the bookmarking aspect becomes pointless.
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daphneblithe

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:02:01 +1300

Good point. Where is the 'star' though? (Is it an installed bookmark app perhaps?)

emyrys

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:10:08 +1300

@daphneblithe When you "pin" an installed app, it appears on the navigation bar and the app gets a gold star on the menu where you pin it.

(To get to that menu, click on the 3 horizontal bars in the right corner & choose Add Apps in the drop down menu, then in the Installed Apps menu you can choose to "pin" them.)

emyrys

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:19:19 +1300

@daphneblithe in rereading this conversation, I realize that I may be talking about totally different gold stars.....I haven't looked into the bookmarking at all, yet.

cesperanza

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:22:37 +1300

I think that if you go under the gear near the like button on a post or comment to "conversation tools" you can turn on emogis and also gold stars for posts.

cesperanza

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:24:22 +1300

I have just starred vamp's post wot I am commenting on but I don't know if that's only for me!

emyrys

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:25:41 +1300

It looks like it was only for you, which makes sense.

vamp

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:32:31 +1300

In the gear icon of a post (not a comment) you can 'toggle star status' and then it can be found in the 'starred posts' filter in the left hand sidebar (theme depending) of the network/stream page.

cesperanza

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 16:40:07 +1300

AH HA. That's quite cool!

vamp

NZ, Sat, 02 Feb 2019 11:02:14 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:16:06 +1300

a thing I'm missing here

Some way of putting stuff, custom text or custom links or widgets in the sidebar of my 'channel home' or even just a pinned post. I think the former is probably a theme thing, and I've figured out that proper themeing is not something I'm capable of. As for pinned posts, I haven't the foggiest how that would be achieved.
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ETA: I figured it out. Custom Text Block for your sidebar or whatever.

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vamp

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 11:35:16 +1300

Yeah, the whole 'to make a theme you have to have a test instance installed and etc' kinda hit me with the impossible stick. I don't have hosting and I don't have the tech skills to install hubzilla even if I did, sadly. I'd say my capabilities would extend to arranging crap with comanche and styling with CSS and that's about it.
I've been playing with the webpages app, but there's no themes installed and I can't figure out how to make one, so.
I was also thinking about doing something with stylus but I'm not sure that would even work because everyone has different themes...

vamp

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 11:42:43 +1300

@arduinna yeah I don't think that works. I just tried it and it's disappeared. I imagine it'll reappear on the 1st Jan, 2020 LOL

arduinna

Sat, 02 Feb 2019 11:49:45 +1300

@vamp bwah, okay, good to know!

vamp

NZ, Fri, 01 Feb 2019 13:55:17 +1300 last edited: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:03:20 +1300

Some stuff about the whole two-way follow of Hubzilla

So, basically if someone wants to follow you and get your posts in their stream then you have to follow them back. Which is awkward, because just say you're an uber awesome fanwork creator and everyone wants to hear about your stuff as you make it? If you 'follow' them all back, then you're stuck dealing with affinity sliders and filters every time you view your stream so you don't drown in the firehose and stuff OR you just don't follow them back and there's a bunch of people with your avi+red-not-followed-back-circle on their profile AND they don't get to see your stuff :(

There's an alternative, yay!

The page you're taken to after you accept someone's connection request has some dropdown options on it. One of those is Individual Permissions. Click that and you get this:

Change the Permission Role dropdown to 'follower', then scroll all the way past the checkboxes, and hit submit.

And you're done! Your follower can see your posts, but theirs will not appear in your stream!

(and as far as I know, there's no awkward 'why aren't they following me back :sadface:' issues)

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monicawoe

Fri, 01 Feb 2019 15:39:02 +1300

Awesome!

lim

Fri, 01 Feb 2019 18:47:36 +1300

vamp

Fri, 01 Feb 2019 19:13:21 +1300

Ooh, I didn't know that, @lim (even though I know now that I've seen it, I just obvs didn't click that that's what it did!)